Oh my, what a journey we have had this week. My dear fellow travelers, we have done it. This is the last recap post for The Dragon Reborn. It’s been an interesting ride! I apologize for the length of the recap portion as well. I tried to be brief but it was a very tricky set of chapters to sum up, with lots of details in lots of different places, and we kept switching rapidly between different scenes and different povs. It did give the whole thing a rather cinematic feel, though, and it also contributed to the sense of just how fast everything was happening.
Shout out to Stefan Raets for doing all the editing for this piece (as he has done for every other, and excellently too!) which was late coming in and probably riddled with spelling errors and unfinished sentences, as I am more sick this week than I have been in years. I am seriously just a set of long mustaches away from being Thom Merrilin with this cough I’ve got, and I wouldn’t complain at all if Mother Guenna wanted to shove vile-tasting potions down my throat and keep me in a bed at her house until I recover. Maybe she and Nynaeve can discuss the best cure for this massive sinus pressure I’ve got going on. Or the pink eye.
Still, unlike Thom, I have made it to the climactic battle at the Stone, which was quite interesting, even if it wasn’t the Last Battle the way certain characters seem to have been hoping.
Nighttime finds Mat perched on the rooftops of Tear, thinking how completely unsensible it is to be in such a place at such a time. He is scoping out the best route to take to reach the Stone, and so far the best option he has found is not one he relishes—the top of the city wall.
He’s carrying his quarterstaff, a small box with a wire handle that’s growing uncomfortable warm, and the roll of fireworks, which he has reworked and jammed into more of a bundle. It’s too much to be carrying around the rooftops in the dark, and he’s already slipped once. Still, he stays, and regards the wall, which would be easy enough to reach from the rooftops and is technically plenty wide enough to walk along, if you could get over the distance down to the pavement on either side.
Of course, even if Mat reached the Stone, he would then have to scale the side of it. He tells himself that he can climb it, though in the very next thought he thinks that even Rand wouldn’t try to climb such a height. Even as he thinks it, he realizes that he can actually see someone climbing the side of the Stone, a shadow in the night and already halfway up, too. Mat thinks they must be a fool, but then he is a fool too because he is about to try the same thing, and if this person raises the alarm or gets caught, it will make Mat’s night that much harder.
Just then he feels the press of steel against his throat, and has a brief skirmish with a group that he at first takes to be thieves, then identifies as Aiel. They tell him that they have been watching him study the Stone and ask what his purpose is, only to be interrupted by the arrival of a thief-catcher, who names himself Juilin Sandar and would like to know what the Aiel are doing on the rooftops, watching the Stone.
Mat shook his head. How many bloody people are on the roofs tonight? All that was needed was for Thom to appear and play his harp, or someone to come looking for an inn. A bloody thief-taker! He wondered why the Aiel were just standing there.
“You stalk well, for a city man,” the older man’s voice said. “But why do you follow us? We have stolen nothing. Why have you looked so often at the Stone tonight yourself?”
Sandar is surprised, and even more so as several more Aiel rise up behind him out of the darkness. He observes that he himself is caught, and then admits that he is troubled by something he did. Part of him says that what he did was right, and that he must obey, but another small voice tells him that he betrayed something. It is very small and he knows that it is wrong, but it will not stop.
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One of the Aiel introduces himself as Rhuarc, and explains that he was once a Red Shield, whose job is similar to that of a thief-catcher. Thus, he knows what kind of man Sandar is and will not harm him if he agrees to be silent about the Aiel’s presence. Sandar, after learning that the Aiel are here about the Stone, agrees, and the Aiel turn their attention back to Mat.
Mat tries to be flippant with them, but the seriousness of Aiel steel forces him to give at least some of the truth, and he explains that some of his friends are prisoners in the Stone and that he intends to free them, alone, since there doesn’t seem to be anyone else to help. He asks if the Aiel want to throw their lot in with his, since his luck is good. Rhuarc answers that they are not here for prisoners, and then the Aiel melt away as silently as they arrived.
Sandar, however, is interested in Mat’s prisoners, and asks if they are three women.
Mat frowned at him, wishing there was enough light to show the man’s face clearly. The fellow’s voice sounded odd. “What do you know of them?”
“I know they are inside the Stone. And I know a small gate near the river where a thief-catcher can gain entrance with a prisoner, to take him to the cells. The cells where they must be. If you will trust me, gambler, I can take us that far. What happens after that is up to chance. Perhaps your luck will bring us out again alive.”
Mat considers if he believes in his luck enough to trust Sandar, and a plan that could very quickly change from him pretending to be a prisoner to actually being one. He watches the shadows of the Aiel scaling the wall of the Stone and decides that they might serve as a useful diversion, then decides that he might as well create his own diversion too, as he had already planned to.
They cross the rooftops until they reach the city wall, then Mat tells Sandar to wait for him and runs along the wall—doing his best not to think about the drop—all the way to the Stone, where he finds an arrow slit to wedge his fireworks bundle into. Using a coal from his little tin box, he lights the fuses he’s rearranged and bundled together, then races away, back along the wall.
The explosion sends him flying forward, his ears ringing, and he thinks that he must finally have used up all his luck in not falling off the wall. He finds himself running back to inspect the results of his work and is baffled to find a hole in the wall where the arrow slit used to be, a hole just big enough for him to squeeze through. After a moment’s internal debate over whether to return and try Sandar’s plan or to take this path, he climbs through.
As soon as he’s inside he encounters a group of Defenders of the Stone, and would quickly be overwhelmed by them except for the timely arrival of Sandar coming to his aid. They take the men out together.
Sandar stared at the fallen men, shaking his head. “Defenders of the Stone. I have attacked Defenders! They will have my head for—! What was it that you did, gambler? That flash of light, and thunder, breaking stone. Did you call lightning?” His voice fell to a whisper. “Have I joined myself to a man who can channel?”
“Fireworks,” Mat said curtly. His ears were still ringing, but he could hear more boots coming, running boots thudding on stone. “The cells, man! Show me the way to the cells before any more get here!”
They race off, Mat silently promising the girls that he is coming, that he will get them out or die.
Meanwhile, Rand pays no heed to the commotion he hears as he hurries through the corridors. The wound in his side aches from the climb but he doesn’t pay attention to that either, just continues towards what he has dreamed of, what will end all of this. Callandor.
In the cells, Egwene wakes from dreams of Rand and Mat and flies into in a panic, screaming that she will not be collared again. Nynaeve and Elayne are quick to comfort her, and their presence is enough for her to get control of herself. They are still shielded from the True Source—one of the Black Ajah, Amico, is sitting outside their cell maintaining the weave—but nothing else has happened and they have been left completely alone. Elayne reminds them that Liandrin said that they are bait, and Egwene is the one who realizes who they are bait for: Rand, who she dreamed of, and who is coming for Callandor. She tries to reassure the others that they can escape, but Nynaeve shares that there are thirteen Myrddraal coming.
[Egwene] found herself staring at that message scratched on the stone wall again: The Light have mercy and let me die. Her hands clenched into fists. Her jaws cramped with the effort of not screaming those words. Better to die. Better death than being turned to the Shadow, made to serve the Dark One!
But one of Egwene’s hands has closed around the pouch at her belt, and she realizes with a start that she still has her rings, the Great Serpent one as well as the stone ter’angreal. Apparently they were not even deemed worthy of searching, but it leaves Egwene with an opportunity. Since she could channel in Tel’aran’rhiod, she thinks perhaps she might be able to find some way to help them. Nynaeve worries that Liandrin and the others might be there again, but Egwene only replies grimly that she hopes they are.
With Elayne stroking her hair and Nynaeve humming that wordless lullaby, she easily drifts off to sleep and finds herself in the usual place. After briefly checking to see that she can, indeed, touch the True Source, she empties her mind again and fills it with the image of the Heart of the Stone.
She finds Joiya Byir there, the other woman’s form so insubstantial that Egwene can see Callandor through her, the sword pulsing with an internal light. She’s shocked to see Egwene there, and Egwene reacts quickly, recreating the flows of Spirit that she saw used against her by the Black Ajah as she cuts Joiya off from the True Source. She follows that weave with one of Air, trapping the woman in place.
Joiya, realizing that Egwene must have a ter’angreal that doesn’t requite channeling, threatens her, promising to come take the ter’angreal when she wakes, but Egwene answers that Joiya may not be able to wake at all, as long as she is shielded here, and that things that happen in Tel’aran’rhiod are still real when you wake up. Then she weaves a third flow of Air, subjecting Joiya to a beating not unlike the one Joiya recently gave to Egwene. She takes a moment to observe how easy it was to figure out how to weave multiple flows and to set them so they maintained themselves without her, and notes that she thinks she will be able to remember how to do it in the future.
After a moment, she unraveled one of the weavings, and the Darkfriend sobbed as much from relief as from pain. “I am not like you,” Egwene said. “This is the second time I have done something like this, and I do not like it. I am going to have to learn to cut throats instead.” From the Black sister’s face, she thought Egwene meant to start learning with her.
Making a disgusted sound, Egwene left her standing there, trapped and shielded, and hurried into the forest of polished redstone columns. There had to be a way down to the cells somewhere.
In another part of the Dream World Stone of Tear, Young Bull and Hopper have just finished taking out a group of two-legs, ones who had seemed frightened and confused at being in the wolf dream, and who had been set to keep him from a tall door with an iron lock, or at least to guard it. Perrin finds himself in his human body again as he looks at the door, and Hopper warns him to hurry, as there is something evil nearby.
Perrin destroys the lock with a blow from his hammer and finds Faile inside, lying on a long stone block in the middle of the floor, naked and held down with many chains. He crosses the room and touches her face.
She opened her eyes and smiled up at him. “I kept dreaming you would come, blacksmith.”
“I will have you free in a moment, Faile.” He raised his hammer, smashed one of the bolts as if it were wood.
“I was sure of it. Perrin.”
But as she says it she fades away, the chains dropping to the stone. He shouts that he found her, but Hopper tells him that in the Dream World, one hunt can have many endings. And so they hunt again.
Back in the waking world, Mat has found himself face to face with a rather talented swordsman, one of the High Lords who emerged from a chamber somewhere to challenge the intruders. He is not the first to do so, but Mat is struggling more with him than any of the others, and Sandar is trapped behind him, unable to get by without compromising Mat’s ability to use his staff. When Mat eventually manages to take the man out, he leans on his staff, panting and thinking about how he didn’t know being a hero was going to be quite so much hard work.
Sandar came to stand beside him, frowning down at the crumpled High Lord. “He does not look so mighty lying there,” he said wonderingly. “He does not look so much greater than me.”
Mat gave a start and peered down the hall, where a man had just gone trotting across along a joining corridor. Burn me, if I did not know it was crazy, I would swear that was Rand!
“Sandar, you find that—” he began, swinging his staff up onto his shoulder, and cut off when it thudded into something.
Turning, Mat finds another High Lord behind him, clutching a bleeding head. He’s dropped the sword he was about to kill Mat with, and Mat takes him out with two more quick blows, observing that you can’t beat luck. Sandar agrees—without that luck, the man would have killed them both. They continue on, in search of a passage down to the cells.
In the Heart of the Stone, Rand enters the chamber, his eyes fixed on Callandor where it hangs waiting for the Dragon to take it—waiting for him, if he truly is the Dragon and not just some man driven half-mad by his ability to channel.
Behind him, a voice urges him on, “Take it, Lews Therin. Take it, Kinslayer,” and Rand whirls to face the man, who has close-cropped white hair and is dressed in red and black and silver. He recognizes the man from his dreams, in which Rand saw him put Egwene, Elayne and Nynaeve in a cage and hurt them.
The man dismisses Rand’s observation with a wave of his hand, saying that the girls are less than nothing, that they might be something some day, when they are trained, but by then they will serve him. Rand feels Callandor flash, feels the warmth at his back. He asks who the man is
“You do not remember me, do you?” The white-haired man laughed suddenly. “I do not remember you, either, looking this way. A country lad with a flute case on his back. Did Ishamael speak the truth? He was ever one to lie when it gained him an inch or a second. Do you remember nothing, Lews Therin?”
“A name!” Rand demanded. “What is your name?”
“Call me Be’lal,” the man responds, then returns to urging Rand to take Callandor. He tells Rand that they once rode to war side by side, and in honor of that he will give Rand a chance to take the sword and perhaps survive facing him. He is amused when Rand responds that he will not grovel in front of one of the Forsaken when he has faced the Dark One himself. He summons some kind of sword made of black fire and drives towards Rand to pressure him into grabbing the sword, but Rand makes an answering blade out of red fire and meets Be’lal in the forms that Lan taught him.
Still, Rand realizes that while the heron is on his fire-sword only because of his memory of his father’s heron-marked blade, Be’lal has one on his blade as well, showing that he is a blade master and far more skilled than Rand himself. Be’lal recognizes the same thing, taunting “Lews Therin” about how he was once much better at swordplay, and asking if he remembers when they “took that tame sport called swords and learned to kill with it, as the old volumes said men once had?” or any of “those desperate battles, even one of our dire defeats?” He declares his intention to kill Rand this time, and again remarks that Callandor might help him extend his life.
Still, Rand refuses and continues to fight with the sword he has, even as he is driven back. Around him other battles are raging, men in breastplates engaging with shadowy assailants wielding bows and arrows and spears. Rand trips over a prone form and falls onto his back. Be’lal stands over him and commands him one last time to take Callandor or be slain.
A voice cries out, and Be’lal turns to see Moiraine striding towards them. He remarks that he thought she was out of his way, but that it doesn’t matter. She is no more than an annoyance, like a stinging fly, that he will cage with the others and then turn her puny powers to the Shadow.
He raises his hand, but Moiraine, who has not stopped walking, raises both of hers.
There was an instant of surprise on the Forsaken’s face, and he had time to scream “No!” Then a bar of white fire hotter than the sun shot from the Aes Sedai’s hands, a glaring rod that banished all shadows. Before it, Be’lal became a shape of shimmering motes, specks dancing in the light for less than a heartbeat, flecks consumed before his cry faded.
There was silence in the chamber as that bar of light vanished, silence except for the moans of the wounded. The fighting had stopped dead, veiled men and men in breastplates alike standing as if stunned.
“He was right concerning one thing,” Moiraine said, as coolly serene as if she were standing in a meadow. “You must take Callandor. He meant to slay you for it, but it is your birthright. Better by far that you knew more before your hand held that hilt, yet you have come to the point now, and there is no further time for learning. Take it, Rand.”
Suddenly she is struck by black lightning, and she screams as she is thrown across the floor to land unconscious against a pillar. Looking up at where the lightning had come from, Rand sees a deep blackness from which descends Ba’alzamon, clothed all in black but with an even deeper black shrouding him.
… He hung in the air, two spans above the floor, glaring at Rand with a rage as fierce as his eyes. “Twice in this life I have offered you the chance to serve me living.” Flames leaped in his mouth as he spoke, and every word roared like a furnace. “Twice you have refused, and wounded me. Now you will serve the Lord of the Grave in death. Die, Lews Therin Kinslayer. Die, Rand al’Thor. It is time for you to die! I take your soul!”
Rand throws himself at Callandor, instinctively aware that it is his only hope, and he feels something tearing inside of him as he does, like some part of him is being pulled away. And then his hand closes on Callandor’s hilt, and saidin surges through him as the sword glows even brighter than the fire that killed Be’lal. He has to wrestle with the flow of Power, find a way not to be consumed and swept along with its torrent, until he at last finds a razor’s edge of balance.
He turned to face Ba’alzamon. The tearing within him had ceased as soon as his hand touched Callandor. Only an instant had passed, yet it seemed to have lasted forever. “You will not take my soul,” he shouted. “This time, I mean to finish it once and for all! I mean to finish it now!”
Ba’alzamon fled, man and shadow vanishing.
But Rand can see what Ba’alzamon did, the way he bent what was to make a doorway to somewhere else. Using Callandor Rand reaches out and twists reality to make a doorway to follow, declaring “I am the hunter now,” as he steps through.
In the World of Dreams, Egwene feels the Stone shake under her feet and stops, catching her balance, then continues on when nothing else happens. She uses her skill in Earth to destroy the lock of an iron door that stands in her way, trying to ignore the instruments of torture hanging on the walls as she makes her way towards the cells. Once there, she finds every one empty—of course no one would dream themselves in prisons. She has no idea how she’ll be able to establish which cell is the one holding her, Elayne, and Nynaeve, but suddenly she spots the figure of a woman, seated on a bench flickering in and out. The figure is even less substantial than Joiya had been, but Egwene is still certain of what she is seeing.
There was no mistaking that slender neck and the pale, innocent-appearing face with its eyelids fluttering on the edge of sleep. Amico Nagoyin was drifting toward sleep, dreaming of her guard duties. And apparently toying drowsily with one of the stolen ter’angreal. Egwene could understand that; it had been a great effort to stop using the one Verin had given her, even for a few days.
She knew it was possible to cut a woman off from the True Source even if she had already embraced saidar, but severing a weave already established had to be much harder than damming the flow before it began. She set the patterns of the weaving, readied them, making the threads of Spirit much stronger, this time, thicker and heavier, a denser weave with a cutting edge like a knife.
When Amico appears again, Egwene catches her in the weaves, and although Amico appears terrified and begins screaming, the sound is too distant for Egwene to make anything out as she starts babbling. Egwene ties the weaves so they will stay on their own, then destroys the lock and opens the door.
When she wakes—and is reminded of all her aches and bruises—Egwene finds the cell door tightly shut, and reminds herself that while what happens to living things in Tel’aran’rhiod is real even when they wake, what she did to stone or wood has no effect on the waking world. She tells Nynaeve and Egwene that they should be able to get out now, that Egwene can take care of the lock and Amico won’t bother them, but Elayne tells her that the shielding is still there.
Egwene tries to reach the True Source and discovers that, while the shield seems different, almost as though it is rapidly flickering in and out of existence, Amico is still managing to hold it despite what Egwene did to her. She realizes that she will have to try again, despite Nynaeve’s worry that Egwene seems as though the first try took something out of her. She lays back to try to sleep, asking Nynaeve to sing the lullaby again.
Meanwhile, Mat is creeping through the dungeons eyeing the various whips and torture devices as he and Sandar make their way to the cells, trying to look everywhere at once for fear of being caught unawares by more High Lords or Defenders of the Stone. Once Mat steps through into the hall lined with wooden cell doors, he spots a woman seated on a bench beside one door, leaning back against the wall in an oddly stiff manner. Mat can’t figure out what to make of her—she can’t be a prisoner if she’s sitting outside the cells, but he can’t imagine a woman like this being a torturer. He starts to approach when Sandar calls out to warn him that she is Aes Sedai, but she doesn’t move or attack or anything.
“Help me,” she said faintly. Her eyes still looked nearly asleep, but the pleading in her voice was fully awake. “Help me. Please!”
Mat blinked. She still had not moved a muscle below her neck. Cautiously, he stepped closer, waving to Sandar to stop his groaning about her being Aes Sedai. She moved her head to follow him. No more than that.
He hesitates, then takes the large iron key from her belt and goes to open the door, still baffled that she isn’t moving. Sandar has claimed that she is one of the ones that took his friends, so Mat reasons they must be in that cell, even if the woman looks terrified by whatever is beyond the door. He unlocks it and swings it open… and there are the three girls, looking battered and bruised and very surprised to see him.
He explains irritably that he has come to rescue them and that he’ll carry the apparently unconscious Egwene if they need him to, but that they need to get moving now. Nynaeve and Elayne shake Egwene awake.
Egwene’s eyelids fluttered open, and she groaned. “Why did you wake me? I must understand it. If I loose the bonds on her, she will wake and I’ll never catch her again. But if I do not, she cannot go all the way to sleep, and—” Her eyes fell on him and widened. “Matrim Cauthon, what under the Light are you doing here?”
“You tell her,” he told Nynaeve. “I am too busy trying to rescue you to watch my langu—”
They were all staring beyond him, glaring as if they wished they had knives in their hands.
He spun, but all he saw was Juilin Sandar, looking as if he had swallowed a rotten plum whole.
Sandar sheepishly admits that they have cause to look at him that way, and tells the girls that “the one with many honey-colored braids” spoke to him and he had to obey. Nynaeve agrees that Liandrin has many foul ways and that perhaps Sandar is not entirely to blame. They exit the cell and Amico pleads with them, promising to come back to the light and to serve them, but Nynaeve knocks her out with one blow instead, landing her unconscious on the ground, although she is left in exactly the same position as before.
“It is gone,” Elayne said excitedly.
Egwene bent to rummage in the unconscious woman’s pouch, transferring something Mat could not make out to her own. “Yes. It feels wonderful. Something changed about her when you hit her, Nynaeve. I do not know what, but I felt it.
Elayne nodded. “I felt it, too.”
Nynaeve remarks that she’d like to change everything about Amico and then Heals first Egwene, then Elayne. Mat, meanwhile, can’t understand why they would hit a woman who couldn’t move. When he says as much, the air around him seems to solidify and lift him off his feet, as Nynaeve and Egwene let him know, firmly, that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He reminds them, in as charming a way as he can manage, that he did rescue them, and they put him down, admitting that he is right.
Still, they won’t take his advice to get out of the Stone and avoid the battle raging within it, and they seem more concerned with finding Liandrin and Joiya Byir, leaving Mat to scramble after them, insisting that he will not follow them into a battle… but following anyway, with Sandar right behind him.
Perrin is still chasing Faile, Hopper showing him where to go, but he’s lost her twice more now and Perrin is growing weaker. The wolf warns him that his flesh is weakening, and that both flesh and dream will die together soon, but Perrin only cares about finding Faile.
Perrin reached the doors and pushed. They did not budge. There seemed to be no way to open them, no handles, nothing to grip. There was a tiny pattern worked into the metal, so fine his eyes almost did not see it. Falcons. Thousands of tiny falcons.
She has to be here. I do not think I can last much longer. With a shout, he swung his hammer against the bronze. It rang like a great gong. Again he struck, and the peal deepened. A third blow, and the bronze doors shattered like glass.
Within, a hundred paces from the broken doors, a circle of light surrounded a falcon chained to a perch. Darkness filled all the rest of that vast chamber, darkness and faint rustlings as of hundreds of wings.
As soon as Perrin steps into the room, he is attacked by swooping falcons that tear at his face with their talons. He throws an arm up to protect his eyes and staggers through the room, losing his hammer somewhere along the way but unable to turn back for it. When he reaches the cage he finds his falcon staring at him. Her foot is chained to the perch with a tiny lock shaped like a hedgehog. With the last of his strength he snaps it, and falls into darkness.
He wakes in Faile’s arms as she’s wiping blood from his face and cooing over how badly he is hurt. He can see the hedgehog charm, broken in two, and whispers her name, calling her “my falcon.”
Rand finds himself again in the Heart of the Stone, but this time it is empty and different. He wonders what place it is, but “where’s Ba’alzamon” is a more important question.
Just then a blazing light like the one Moiraine had used on Be’lal shoots at him through the columns, straight at his chest. He instinctively catches the blast on the blade of Callandor, cutting it in half and making it stream to either side of him. It destroys the columns and anything else it touches, not just demolishing it but literally vanishing anything that is touched by the light. The Heart of the Stone rumbles as columns crash down.
Rand turns the blade then, bouncing the fire back towards its sender, and when Ba’alzamon turns to run, Rand follows. Myrddraal and Trollocs leap at him but he somehow turns them all into a vapor that parts before him. The air changes, growing thicker or thinner, fire blazes at him, the Stone and everything around Rand—plus Rand himself—begins to dissolve as though its ceasing to exists. But each time any of these things happen, Rand somehow changes them back, making the air good to breath again, putting out the fires, making the Stone become solid again. He continues to pursue Ba’alzamon as Ba’alzamon makes the surroundings fight Rand and Rand fights back with “instinct and guesses and chance,” all the while walking the razor’s edge of wielding Callandor without being subsumed.
He chases Ba’alzamon all the way back to the Heart of the Stone again, where Ba’alzamon stands and the blacker-than-black lines around him seem to stretch off into infinity.
“I will not be undone!” Ba’alzamon cried. His mouth was fire; his shriek echoed among the columns. “I cannot be defeated! Aid me!” Some of the darkness shrouding him drifted into his hands, formed into a ball so black it seemed to soak up even the light of Callandor. Sudden triumph blazed in the flames of his eyes.
“You are destroyed!” Rand shouted. Callandor spun in his hands. Its light roiled the darkness, severed the steel-black lines around Ba’alzamon, and Ba’alzamon convulsed. As if there were two of him he seemed to dwindle and grow larger at the same time. “You are undone!” Rand plunged the shining blade into Ba’alzamon’s chest.
Ba’alzamon screamed, and the fires of his face flared wildly. “Fool!” he howled. “The Great Lord of the Dark can never be defeated!”
Rand pulled Callandor’s blade free as Ba’alzamon’s body sagged and began to fall, the shadow around him vanishing.
And then Rand finds himself again in the real Heart of the Stone, surrounded by the fighters from before, the body of a man sprawled at his feet.
“I have done it, he thought. I have killed Ba’alzamon, killed Shai’tan! I have won the Last Battle! Light, I AM the Dragon Reborn! The breaker of nations, the Breaker of the World. No! I will END the breaking, end the killing! I will MAKE it end!”
He raises Callandor and calls for the fighters to stop. They freeze, looking at him, as he declares that he is Rand al’Thor, the Dragon Reborn, and then one by one they go to their knees before him, crying, “The Dragon is Reborn!”
The next day, Mat stands in a room, peering through an arrow slit down upon the crowded streets below, where people cry out the name of the Dragon. As far as Mat can tell, everyone inside the Stone agrees with the people below; he himself saw Rand once the night before, walking the halls with Callandor and trailing a line of Aiel and Tairenan followers, including those High Lords who survived the battle.
Rhuarc is there with Mat, reading a book, along with Moiraine, who is sitting in a great throne-like chair, and Egwene, Nynaeve, and Elayne. They are discussing the fact that Perrin is also in Tear, and how Perrin’s companion was in some danger and Moiraine means to check on them when she is done here. She tells them she has only delayed to show them what she found amongst the ter’angreal and other artifacts the High Lords kept hidden in the Stone—a cuendillar disk bearing the ancient symbol of the Aes Sedai, one of the seals that were set on the Dark One’s prison, and which is still whole.
Egwene remarks that they have found one each time Rand has faced Ba’alzamon. Mat can’t understand why they are all talking about something so unimportant, and interrupts to ask a question.
“I want to know how all of this can be.” He meant to keep his tone soft, but despite himself he picked up intensity as he went along. “The Stone of Tear has fallen! The Prophecies said that would never happen till the People of the Dragon came. Does that mean we are the bloody People of the Dragon? You, me, Lan, and a few hundred bloody Aiel?” He had seen the Warder during the night; there had not seemed to be much edge between Lan and the Aiel as to who was the more deadly. As Rhuarc straightened to stare at him, he hastily added, “Uh, sorry, Rhuarc. Slip of the tongue.”
“Perhaps,” Moiraine said slowly. “I came to stop Be’lal from killing Rand. I did not expect to see the Stone of Tear fall. Perhaps we are. Prophecies are fulfilled as they are meant to be, not as we think they should be.”
The reminder about Be’lal has Mat thinking about how he’d have been much quieter entering the Stone if he’d known there was a Forsaken in there. He also thinks about how Sandar left early to tell Mother Guenna everything that had happened, and how Mat suspects it was also to get away from the gazes of Nynaeve, Egwene and Elayne.
Rhuarc interrupts then, explaining that men of the Aiel who wish to become clan chiefs must journey “to Rhuidean, in the lands of the Jenn Aiel, the clan that is not,” just as women who wish to become Wise Ones must. The men who are chosen at Rhuidean are marked in a specific way on their left arm, he explains, and lifts his sleeve to show an image etched into his skin, a long serpent-like form that exactly matches the image on the Dragon banner that has been raised above the Stone.
“The Aiel are the People of the Dragon.” Moiraine spoke quietly, but she sounded as close to startlement as Mat could remember ever hearing her. “That I did not know.”
“Then it really is all done,” Mat said, “just as the Prophecies said. We can all go on our way with no more worries.” The Amyrlin won’t need me to blow that bloody Horn now!
Egwene reminds him that the Forsaken are loose, and that most of the Black Ajah are dead, but Mat reiterates that the hardest part is done: Rand has Callandor, the Stone has fallen, and Shai’tan is dead.
Moiraine commands him to be silent, lest he call the attention of the Dark One upon himself, but Mat insists that the Dark One is dead, that he saw the body. Painstakingly, Moiraine explains to all of them that the Dark One himself wouldn’t have an ordinary human body, and that just because Mat recognized the man who called himself Ba’alzamon in his dreams, doesn’t mean that Ba’alzamon was the real Dark One.
This leaves the question of who the corpse actually belongs to, but Egwene, remembering that page Verin showed her, has a hesitant explanation. She tells them of the paper and the quote ‘a name hidden behind a name,’ positing that Ba’alzamon might have been Ishamael.
Moiraine says it might be possible, but that the important thing is that at least nine of the thirteen still live, and that there are only four seals left standing against the Dark One’s release. Seeing the determination on all of their faces, Mat resolutely tells himself that he is not going to have any part of it.
Just then a tall regal woman in a red dress with a coronet bearing a golden hawk in flight, enters the room. She studies Rhuarc for a moment and then approaches Moiraine.
“I am not used to being given messages to carry,” she announced, flourishing a folded parchment in one slim hand.
“And who are you, child?” Moiraine asked.
The young woman drew herself up even more, which Mat would have thought was impossible. “I am Berelain, First of Mayene.” She tossed the parchment down on the table in front of Moiraine with a haughty gesture and turned back to the door.
Moiraine stops her to ask who sent the message, and Berelain admits that she doesn’t know; she sounds puzzled before she shakes it off. Glancing again at Rhuarc, she remarks that she might ask him to dine with her soon, then she tells Moiraine to “[i]nform the Lord Dragon that the First of Mayene will dine with him tonight,” before marching from the room.
Egwene and Elayne both remark that they’d like to have that women in the tower as a novice, but Moiraine is more concerned with the note, which reads “Lews Therin was mine, he is mine, and he will be mine, forever. I give him into your charge, to keep for me until I come,” and is signed Lanfear. She looks at Mat, sarcastically remarking that he thought it was done, and pointing out that he is ta’veren, “a thread more crucial to the Pattern than most, and the sounder of the Horn of Valere.”
Mat acts like he understands, and promises that they can count on him, while inwardly wondering if Thom is well enough to travel, and if perhaps Perrin will run with them.
Outside, people are still chanting for the Dragon.
Can I just say that the scene on the rooftops of Tear was so good. It was like a Russian nesting doll of people watching each other, though of course the Aiel were always bound to win at that game. And poor Sandar, with his little Jiminy Cricket voice in the back of his head trying to counteract the thing that Liandrin did to him. Her mind control stuff is a bit like Jedi mind tricks, but if they were were only used by Sith. I was really happy that he got a chance to redeem that betrayal and help Nynaeve and the others. He’s a fun character, and I probably loved him even more than was earned in his brief appearance because I’m so fond of Hurin.
There is so much delicious irony when you realize that all three—Mat, Sandar, and Rhuarc—have this connection to Elayne, Egwene, and Nynaeve, that Mat and the Aiel both have a connection to Rand, even though the Aiel don’t know that. It was just really fun, and I suppose this is what we get in exchange for having so few of the characters staying with each other. Maybe it also shows something about the Pattern, and how it works. Since we the readers get to see this story from so many people’s perspectives and know all the different elements to it, it’s like we get to see a more complete version of the Pattern than any individual who is living inside of it. That’s a pretty cool idea.
Chekhov’s fireworks were used to break a hole in the wall of the Stone. That is an excellent use for them—I’m surprised I didn’t catch that—although apparently Mat didn’t think they would do anything other than make light and sound, which—really Mat? I know you’ve been a bit casual about the fireworks, but you were told that one of them alone could blow off a hand.
Perrin’s Dream World hunt for Faile was really enjoyable to read, and reminded me very much of an old fairy tale or story of a fantasy knight. It has all the elements, including the fact that he has to find her three times, the symbolism of the chains keeping her trapped (and reminding me of that one time Egwene saw Perrin in his self-imposed dream chains the first time she used her ter’angreal) and the horrifying attack by all the falcons in the third room. Perrin carrying the hammer, rather than the axe, turned out to be just the thing for this quest. Sure he had to kill some guys, but his wolf teeth worked great for that, and in the end the most useful weapon was one he could use to break locks, rather than to cut down people. Which is what Perrin would rather be doing.
Speaking of those guys, from the description of them, they seem to have been real people who were somehow dragged into the Dream World and set to guard Faile’s cages, based on the description of how they didn’t belong there and seemed frightened and confused. I wonder if the Black Ajah had to use ter’angreal on them, or if Be’lal had some other trick up his sleeve. I also wonder if the guards and the three tries were just the way this particular woven trap worked, or if Be’lal anticipated that someone might come into the Dream World after Moiraine. Who would have that sort of ability? Certainly not Lan.
Which, by the way, where the heck is Lan? He isn’t mentioned at all in these chapters, even just to explain that he’s off doing something else. But I digress. No one could have known that Perrin had the ability to go into the Dream World and rescue Faile, so one wonders what or who Be’lal expected might come after Moiraine, or whoever fell into his trap. Another Aes Sedai, maybe? Or maybe the guards and doors and chains were to keep Moiraine from escaping, in case she had the strength to break out of one place somehow. I hope Moiraine gets back to look after Perrin soon, though; those wounds are no joke, and when Verin was hurt in the Dream World, that injury didn’t respond to Healing the way a normal one would. Perrin might be in for a long recovery, and some scars too.
But yeah, it’s a very romantic adventure for Perrin. I was especially struck by the way Faile responds by calling him Perrin the instant that he uses her proper name. The amount of acceptance and caring in him finally calling her Faile must be such a relief to her. It was to me, too.
Egwene’s dream adventures were fascinating too. It doesn’t seem odd to me that one can channel within Tel’aran’rhiod, but it is interesting that she feels so strong and confident there, more so than she does in the waking world. Perhaps her strength as a Dreamer (that would be a talent in Spirit, I suppose) gives her an affinity for using the Power there, making things clearer and her mind stronger.
In general, I’ve noticed that strength in saidin or saidar seems to mean an ability to use it instinctively as much as an ability to do intensely powerful things. Nynaeve showed that ability early on, figuring out how to copy the weave the Amyrlin used on her after seeing it done only once, and the way she has been learning to Heal without apparently any instruction. Elayne and Egwene have also shown the ability to copy weaves they’ve seen only once and while under duress. Then there’s the balefire that Nynaeve and Rand both make without even knowing what it is. (Plus Rand doing a million other things instinctively, but more on that later.) There has been a lot of talk from the Aes Sedai in this book about how much knowledge was lost in the Breaking as well as after; I imagine that part of this new age that Rand will usher in will be a new generation of Aes Sedai who can rediscover these old skills, or make new ones, and restore some of what was lost.
Egwene’s plan to use Tel’aran’rhiod to try to get the drop on the Black Ajah was a good one, but I have to say I was surprised that she didn’t realize—or maybe just forgot in her zeal—that of course nothing she did to wood or stone in the Dream World would translate to the World outside. What happens to Dreamers in Tel’aran’rhiod is real because they are actually traveling to that place, more strongly than people who are sleeping normally, but not as fully as Ba’alzamon and Rand do when they just step through into it and back out again. As someone using a ter’angreal to access the World of Dreams, you are physically there in some capacity, and so physical realities still hold true, but the world itself is not connected to the waking world; the two have no relation to each other other than the initial symmetry of them.
Unlike the mirror world Rand, Hurin, and Loial went to in The Great Hunt, the Dream World doesn’t seem to be a literal reflection of the original. It doesn’t even seem to be laid out the same. I wonder if the point isn’t that it is created by people dreaming. That idea has been seen in other works before, and it would make sense. Even wolves must dream, and then the lands they dreamt of wait for them to come inhabit them someday.
Whatever exactly happened to Amico was super creepy. I loved that Jordan set up that perfect little detail that Egwene always wanted to touch the stone ring and didn’t like not using it, in order to give us this moment of Amico dozing off and fingering her ter’angreal. I’m curious about what happened when Nynaeve punched her, though. At first I assumed that it was just that she was knocked fully unconscious, but the way the girls said they felt something change in her makes it sounds like something else is up. Perhaps there will be more to Amico’s story now, since she and Joiya were the only Black Ajah captured, and the Aes Sedai will want to know where the rest got off to.
They should all be nicer to Mat, though. Without him they would not have escaped, and it’s not really his fault that he doesn’t understand what is going on. It does show us another example of how Nynaeve, Egwene and Elayne are already becoming more like Aes Sedai. But seriously, Mat, I am proud of you, protestations and all. (Also that joke with him trying to separate Bain and Chiad so he could flirt with them individually would be funnier if they were actually a couple.)
I am glad to see Moiraine survived the book! I was convinced she was a goner, that she would die saving Rand from Be’lal, and then when Ishamael Emperor Palpetine’d her… yeah. I really thought she was done. Since she arranged that whole transfer of Lan’s bond we know she’s got to go eventually, but perhaps it will be a longer game than I first suspected.
On the other hand, I did not expect Ishamael to die in this book! Of course he eventually had to, since he’s not the ultimate baddie, but he’s been built up so much as the best of the Forsaken that it is a bit of a shock that he went down so easy. Rand’s sections in these chapters were interestingly not as close of a narration as we are used to. There was a distance there between us and Rand’s thoughts and emotions, perhaps because he is again being carried along by a tide of power and fate that he doesn’t understand and can’t control. It’s a lot like how it was at the end of The Eye of the World, where he was taking action but in a way almost seemed to be just witnessing himself doing things. It may also be that some of that taint on his mind is affecting him—a chilling thought, but we have no real way of knowing how long it will take for him to start changing now that he’s channeling full time.
Hilariously, there was all this worry that Be’lal would succeed in killing Rand after he took possession of Callandor, but if what happened to Ba’alzamon is any indication, Be’lal would have stood no chance at all. Seriously, it was a terrible plan! Ba’alzamon had to run through Tel’aran’rhiod, make the air poison and call on the literal Dark One to help him, and he still died without Rand having to really try all that hard.
At least, I think that’s who he was calling to. Harkening back to The Eye of the World, I remember the description of Rand having the saidin cord of white light stretching out of him while Ba’alzamon had a dark one, and Rand defeating him by cutting that cord. My assumption is that this is a literal connection between Ishamael and the Dark One, and that when the dark tendrils started to gather in his hands it was the Dark One giving him more power or something like that.
And then, despite his anguish and facing his own defeat, after Rand has run him through, Ba’alzamon calls him a fool and says that the Great Lord of the Dark can never be defeated—almost as if he’s promising Rand that, despite his own death, he will still lose to the Dark One in the end.
I mean, you gotta hand it to the guy for his conviction, I suppose.
And now we are faced with a Rand who finally believes in his identity as the Dragon Reborn, and who, for the moment at least, believes that he has won the Last Battle. I wonder if his drive to “end the breaking, end the killing,” will continue to drive his actions going forward—as the Dragon Reborn he’s going to have a lot of political and social power, and the ability to direct a good many things, if he chooses to. And he probably doesn’t have to answer a summons from the First of Mayene if he doesn’t feel like it.
Speaking of whom, she’s certainly a personality, isn’t she? And Perrin’s Hawk, I’m guessing, since the Falcon thing is sorted now and Berelain’s coronet has a golden hawk on it. I’m not sure if Mayene is a country or a province or what, but she certainly behaves like a ruler, and I can see her trying to put a leash on someone for sure. Poor Perrin—maybe this is the beautiful woman you need to look out for.
Well, it certainly has been a ride. Recapping and analyzing as I go has given me a very strange and specific perspective, and I do think it affected my enjoyment of this book a little bit more than the first two. The Eye of the World and The Great Hunt felt a little bit more like stories in their own right, while The Dragon Reborn feels more like a setup for the books that are to come, which made recapping it a bit weird, or more clumsy, I feel. I still enjoyed it, of course, but I’ll be interested to see how these recaps change as the story moves on and the world and plots get more and more complex. Any way you cut it, the books are going to be very different now that there is declared Dragon Reborn, and I’m excited to get to it.
Thank you all for joining this read with me! It’s been a real pleasure. Please tune in next week for an essay on ta’veren. We will then have the traditional one week break before starting our journey again, fresh and well rested and Healed from our wounds, to begin The Shadow Rising.
For now, I’m off in search of tea with honey and a lot of cough syrup. I will leave you with this final thought: After all the fighting Nynaeve and Egwene have done in this book, Egwene asking for Nynaeve’s lullaby was a really beautiful moment.
Sylas K Barrett is very grateful to everyone involved in Reading the Wheel of Time, and desperately needs a nap.
We’re sorry, but your princess is in another castle.
Nice (and very long) recap. Sylas didn’t pick up that Gaul – who Perrin saved from the cage – was also one of the Aiel talking to Mat.
From the OP “(Also that joke with him trying to separate Bain and Chiad so he could flirt with them individually would be funnier if they were actually a couple.)” Not quite there, Sylas. They are actually more than a couple, and harder to separate.
Interesting point about no Lan. I assume he was defending Moiraine’s back from Defenders of the Stone or Aiel who would interfere with her attack on Be’lal.
About Ishmael being the big baddie killed off in Book 3 – Sylas, you have no idea.
Mods: Should “only to be interpreted by the arrival of a thief-catcher” be “only to be INTERRUPTED by the arrival of a thief-catcher”?
@3: Fixed!
And now we are on to my favorite book in the whole series in which… very little actually happens. But its still my favorite.
I think The Shadow Rising is the popular pick for the best book in the series. It’s certainly my favorite. It has one of the only chapters I still remember by title, 20 years after reading it for the first time, and my personal highpoint in the series. And it might have my second or third favorite moment to go with it.
I have to say, I love watching someone read and comment on these books without actually knowing what will happen, it’s really fun from my POV. I’m also really impressed with how accurate some of your guesses have been so far…
TSR is generally the favorite book for people that love the Aiel, like myself. Their culture is just so interesting anyway, but then you pair it with what we learn about the origin of that culture in TSR and how Rand tells “what should not have been told”…just a heart-breaker. The trip through the ter-angreal with Rand is maybe my favorite sequence in any book ever. Definitely in the top few.
@6: I’ve always remembered A Cup of Wine. What’s yours?
It always somewhat irks me when Forsaken other then Ishmael call Rand Kinslayer. He got that name for something after they were sealed away and were asleep for 3000 years. I just don’t feel it would be something they would pick up right away after getting freed, particularly since they love to refer to him as Lews Therin.
@5 I definitely place TSR on my top 3. I think I like TFoH the most though. Despite TSR being somewhat of a lull in the narrative arch of the whole series, it has some of the greatest world building and character building moments in the series. It’s the real start of Mat’s story // (this book got you in his head, next book puts everyone else in there too!), it has the Wayback, the coup of the White Tower, Nynaeve vs. Moghedien part 1, and let’s not forget the Battle of the Two Rivers. // So even if it perhaps represents the beginning of the more long winded Act 2 of WoT, it’s still ridiculously action packed. Actually saying all of that out, TSR may be the most technically eventful book so far.
– I haven’t been bothering with spoiler tags recently since Sylas doesn’t read the comments now, but this post was basically as spoiler packed as you can get, so it seemed prudent in this case.
@10 On the other hand, they’re all accomplished manipulators. It’s a pretty exploitable emotional soft spot, and I doubt they got where they were without being able to pick up on that quickly and use it. Given who they are, I have no doubt one of the first things they tried to learn after being released was as much as they could about the Dragon [Reborn]. And the Kinslayer moniker would have been one of the first things brought up.
I always considered the first 3 books as the Dragon Reborn trilogy in which it takes all this time for Rand to come to his title on his own. Now we step into a larger world and into the fan favorite book of the series (and my favorite) TSR. Seriously this next book is a true masterpiece.
@8 yeah the Aiel story is so tragic and it never gets any less so
@12 Counterpoint, Rand never slayed his kin (maybe he killed his mom in child birth, it’s unclear) and isn’t phased by Be’lal calling him that.
This time through the series I’ve been following along via audiobook and it struck me how verbose the dialog is in the confrontation in the Heart of the Stone. (He says verbosely.) It reads OUTSTANDING in book form. Hearing it read out loud, however, really made me rethink how Jordan’s dialog is going to translate into the coming series.
I think the forsaken in particular are going to need a major tweak to avoid coming across as idiotic monologue-ing villains in the series. The action in this part is so good and I can’t wait to see it on screen.
Now lay your bets, which ends first? Sylas’s read of the series or the TV show?
@15 Not to digress, (there are plenty of threads for that discussion), but I do not envy the series writers. They have to walk a ridiculously fine line. I want them to remain true to the books of course – a sentiment that I’m sure is shared in the community at large. But frankly speaking, the first book in particular has not aged very well to contemporary audiences. The binary Good vs. Evil narrative established in the first Act (before it gets shaken up later) just isn’t going to keep interest long enough to get to the more nuanced later books as written I fear, at least for non-book-readers.
There are a lot of little things that work well in book form (like the aforementioned monologue-ing) that will almost certainly feel ham-fisted and trite in a television series. Still, I have high hopes.
I can’t wait for TSR! It’s my favorite too! I still remember where I was when reading the Rhuidean story.
Heh, love reading your thoughts on Moiraine and Ishamael’s fates…we’ll get there :)
Yes, the Faile/Perrin romance DOES get aggravating at points, but I absolutely love that tender scene of them after the rescue. Honestly, the start of their romance is in my opinion the strongest/most romantic for me (although I also love Rand+Min).
Berelain, ughhhhhhhhhh. Now THERE’S a karma houdini if there ever was one.
And YES to the idea that the girls should have been nicer to Mat!
While I agree TSR is probably the best book in the series, TDR has a special place for me. I admired the sheer audacity of calling a book “The Dragon Reborn” and then nearly excluding him from the book’s scope until the very end. It sent a clear message that the series wasn’t all about Rand but about Rand and the circle around him, all of whom got a chance to grow and be enriched as characters over the course of the book without Rand sucking up all available plot oxygen.
I had forgotten that Ishmael was hanging in the air. Early RJ error perhaps? It was established later that you can’t pick yourself up with a weave of Air.
@19 I noticed that in the recap, too. It could be an oversight – or it could be a nod to the fact that the True Power has special abilities associated with it. Although, I can’t remember, do we learn that Aes Sedai in the AoL could fly? That there were reports of it, but that modern ones can’t figure it out because of the restriction you state?
I’ve always wondered if a work around for flight would be to do it in pairs. We have many examples of picking up others with air – so if you can’t lift yourself lift someone else and have them lift you – then just fly together.
@20 – IIRC I think there was a limit to how high you could lift someone. Though I suppose if both were to jump off a cliff, that both could use Air on each other in some sort of hang-glider effect.
@20 I think it’s explicitly stated that flying is impossible. At least by Power alone.
The True Power is a pretty convenient justification for some of the weirdness of early books.
Ishmael is a bit of a showman. It could have been an illusion like Moiraine’s giantess act.
I know Sylas has remarkable foresight but already picking up on the Perrin’s Hawk is crazy.
Makes me wonder if RJ was setting Moiraine up to die here but then changed it later in writing it.
@23:
Yup, I think a lot of this was heavy use of the Mask of Mirrors to terrorize Darkfriends for the past 3000 years… And he just literally doesn’t know how to do it any other way, lol.
While lifting yourself with the power is impossible, creating an archway of air and walking across it is done (in book 7 I think?). Ishmael could make a gateway into the air from Tel’aran’rhiod and as he steps through it create a platform or other support made of air. He could even make it bendy so that it looks like hovering.
Now I’m snickering at the idea of Ishy losing his balance on a wobbly invisible platform.
Any better solutions for this impossibility?
@25 We’re venturing into truly hypothetical land now, (but my favorite part of WoT is that it is well enough realized that we can based entirely on the information provided in book). On of the very first real weaves we learn about is using air to hold a person via manipulating air viscosity or density. What if…. he didn’t lift himself up, he just changed the air density below him to approximately gelatin as he opened his gateway then just oozed his way down to the floor. It was very dark in that corner, he could have been standing in a skimming gateway and jumped off to “float” down.
With regards to the men/Thom don’t like women of authority, don’t forget the dichotomy between the sexes Jordan set up. Women are the only ones allowed to do magic and male channellers are responsible for the Breaking and considered super dangerous, 3000 year later the entire culture still is soaked in this. I can very well understand why this would make men distrustful of any woman doing something they don’t really understand/is close to magic.
Brief comment in support of Berelain (please be merciful, y’all). I’m currently in PoD in my re-read and while I’m aware I’ve not gotten to the worst Berelain parts yet, I’m appreciating her character a bit more than I have in the past. She’s more nuanced than I remembered. Yes, she doesn’t mind using every asset she has for political gain. And yes, she is young and foolish for letting Faile get under her skin and fixating on Perrin. But if you look past her poor judgment in that area, she is most intelligent and capable and I appreciate that Jordan made her a pretty rounded character. There’s far more to her than just a “cunning temptress” archetype and I’m impressed by her a lot more this time around than I expected to be.
Wasn’t flying one of the famous weaves lost in the Breaking of the World, such as for example Travelling?
@28 Yeah, Berelain has plenty of strengths as a character. It’s just the petty trying to break up a marriage stuff that makes her deeply unpalatable. She’s doing something out of spite and it gets way out of hand. She should know better.
They flew around in aircraft called Sho-Wings in AoL that I bet was powered with the One Power in some way. This would lead to “Aes Sedai could fly” after a while if the Sho-Wings was forgotten as a concept.
@30 … and does it even though she knows or should know that creating the appearance of Perrin unfaithfulness will harm his relationship with his personally conservative Three Rivers countrymen and endanger the entire mission. *headdesk, headdesk, headdesk…,*
@30 & 32…yeah. Like I said, I haven’t got that far in my re-read yet, so I will most likely be gritting my teeth furiously at her shortly. Berelain’s actions there are most abhorrent, on multiple levels.
@28 – Neuxue’s read-through did a lot to redeem Berelain for me.She is actually extremely competent and when she can keep it in her pants she’s one of the most effective allies of the Light.
@34 – Indeed. That’s why *headdesk, headdesk, headdesk…,*
LOL at Berelain being “pretty rounded”. Pun of the goat-kissing month right there.
I love Berelain much as I love Nynaeve. An amazing character to read. Complex with layers of motivation. Competence is always sexy. Flaws keep things interesting. I stan.
As far as actually knowing anyone like them in real life and having to interact with those people? I’d do a murder.
I never minded Berelain because it never really seemed like she had any chance to succeed with Perrin, and if I recall correctly, Min’s viewing about the man in white happens so early on that the whole triangle plot line just seemed like filler to me. The rest of her character worked for me.
I absolutely can’t stand Berelain mainly because she is so petty, malicious and with no concern to how her actions will impact Perrin, Faile or his reputation. It really, really bothers me (not to mention that I’m really not into pushy sexual dynamics – I don’t care for Tylin either). Even Faile can get a bit too pushy although her pushiness isn’t so much about trying to coerce Perrin into a relationship, per se.
I can appreciate that she’s a ruler of a very small/beleageured territory and must use all her savvy to stay afloat, but she still makes repugnant choices that I feel she never really even acknowledges or has to answer for.
@28, 30:
Its not just that, though. She is not trying to gain political power to increase her own power. She is trying to protect Mayene, the smallest nation on the continent. And Faile doesn’t get under her skin, she gets under Faile’s. She views Perrin as an avenue to secure her country’s interests. That is literally her job. She tried with Rand first, and realized she didn’t have the courage to, erm, ride the Dragon on the winds of time. She evaluated Mat next (Too much like myself, she said, and Mat could hear it), and then moved on to Perrin. She wants to tie herself, and thereby Mayene, to someone close to the Dragon as a means of protecting her people. She is not doing it for her own self-interest, or even to spite Faile (although she certainly wants Faile to think that). This gets lost in discussions of Berelain, because we mostly see her after this from the viewpoint of Perrin and Faile, whose marriage she is meddling with in her quest to protect her people.
@40:
The problem is that she’s not thinking long-term for actions. Having met the Two Rivers folk, she should realize that if she splits up that marriage it will ruin Perrin’s credibility, and therefore will ruin any benefit he can bring to her kingdom. She’s grasping at something to keep her afloat, but is grabbing onto a lead weight.
These were wonderful chapters, and Sylas has done a superb job in recapping and analyzing them. Thank you, Sylas! I know you do not read the comments anymore, but perhaps this reaches you – if it is hacking cough that ails you, you might try eating some minced onion in honey (and perhaps add a drop of brandy in it, too). It has helped me, and, at any rate, can’t make things worse :)
Not commenting more as I can already hear “The Shadow Rising” calling me …
olethros6 @@@@@ 36 – just wanted to thank you for catching that. I’m terrible, I know.
Berelain isn’t the only one who doesn’t get someone else’s culture. She doesn’t really understand why she has no chance with Perrin. That is why she keeps trying when it is obvious to the reader that the can’t succeed and should just stop interfering where she isn’t wanted.
It’s been a long time since I’ve read TEOTW but doesn’t either Aginor or Balthamel do the floaty thing there too? Even if I’m remembering incorrectly I’d assume it’s either a use of the True Power and/or something done in an illusory way for dramatic affect and perhaps to instill a little fear in their opponent.
@40 The scene where Rhuarc breaks up the fight between Faile and Berelain in Tear, during that sequence Berelain promises to steal Perrin from Faile because Faile didn’t show her proper reverence or something to that effect. Which is kind of funny, since Faile is just straight up a more important noble than Berelain is (presumed future Queen of Saldae and all that). But the point is, it’s not concern for her people which makes Berelain focus in on Perrin, it’s only after Faile provokes her that she sets herself to it.
@45 – They don’t. I just chalk it up to “mystic” RJ, who hadn’t quite pounded out the details to his world. The One Power noticeably progresses from mystic to logical over the first few books.
@15 & 16 – The Forsaken monologuing is one dialogue issue for the screenwriters. Another interesting problem is posed by all those times Mat speaks the Old Tongue without realising it. That’s fine when you’re inside his head in third person limited, but how’s that going to work on screen? Subtitles would give away what’s happening far too early; there are occasions where you only realise it’s happening when you’re looking for it and Mat himself never realises, and of course cases like the ter’angreal in the Stone where Mat only realises it happened when Rand mentions needing a translator, or the drunken chat with Birgitte in Ebou Dar.
@9 – “Goldeneyes” – TSR was my favorite book in the series from the moment I finished that chapter. I think Perrin is probably the best character in those early books, but his arc kind of comes to a fitting conclusion here, which is probably why so much of the remainder of the series is a struggle to find compelling material for him. He’s probably still one of my favorites, but Nynaeve certainly passed him and others might have as well if I thought more on it.
I think Sylas is going to have fun recapping The Fires Of Heaven. I’m re-reading it now, just for the heck of it, and what I take away from it more than anything is that it is the perfect balance point of the series, where every distinct character personality is in full flux, before they become too developed and powerful.
Egwene, coming into her own as a well-traveled Aes Sedai-in-training, building her friendship with Aviendha, while learning to Dreamwalk and follow the core components of ji’e’toh.
Nynaeve, grumpy curmudgeon she is, becoming a capable leader in fact, as opposed to her time as Wisdom. She’s turning into the saidar powerhouse we love her as, while retaining a few humbling lessons along the way.
Mat is the low-key highlight of this book, surfing his luck like Pipeline, letting his battle instincts take hold and securing him infamy and undisputed loyalty among the high and low.
And then there’s Rand al’Thor. The Lord Dragon Reborn, the Car’a’carn, and quite the bad mofo, between his training with Rhuarc and Lan, and his gleeman tutor feeding him ancient knowledge of saidin. He may not have been indoctrinated from birth by Aiel ways, but he respects and understands them enough without letting them influence his decisions too much as the Dragon. He is a full-on leader of people in this book, with all of the strength and confidence he needs to achieve. But on the flipside is his true awkward budding romance with Aviendha, the constant ribbing he gets from Egwene and Mat, and the healthiest understanding he’s had with Moiraine to date in the series (until the end, anyway).
There’s just something about the voice of TFoH that feels like the perfect encapsulation of what the Wheel of Time was meant to be.
Speaking of favourite chapters of The Shadow Rising (and I maintain that this book has more epic moments / chapters in it than any other single book)…only time I’ve ever cried reading the WoT was reading chapter 29…
@51 You only cried once in the entire series? Are you made of stone? (Tongue in cheek)
@48 – During her original re-read series her on Tor, Leigh went into this whole thing about how she envisions the Old Tongue working on screen. It was the chapter in book 7 where Mat is speaking with Birgitte and she finally asks him what language are they speaking, and he suddenly realizes that he had been speaking in the Old Tongue the entire time.
@45,47 – Ba’alzamon does do the hovering thing for his appearance at the darkfriend social in TGH, though that pretty much has to be in some kind of dreamshard. Still, seems to be a bit of a signature style for his public appearances.
Piling on my anticipation for Sylas’ treatment of TSR… there is a whole lot of epic to go around in that one, and really cements how tightly plotted the series is, just blow after blow of payoffs from existing setups plus new occurrences sending subtly massive ripples out through the world. And heck, I might be as excited for the reaction to the return of Domon as anything else.
I’ve been looking forward to this post, and the recap didn’t disappoint. The climax of TDR is excellent. Now on to the best book in the series. All of the first six books are great, and the others have their moments, but TSR (and specifically chapters 25/26) is the best.
“Men!” says Nynaeve. “They always say to send for them if you need them, but when you do need one, you need him right then.”
“And remember,” says Egwene, “if a woman does need a hero, she needs him today, not tomorrow.”
And then a hero shows up right at the moment they need him – and they don’t want to admit that they needed him at all.
How has the Stone never fallen before if its walls are that easy to climb without even using a ladder?
Yes he is:
@Lisamarie (17):
So do I. I was in Rhuidean.
@29 Yes traveling was one of the many weaves from the AoL that was forgotten. That, making ter’angreal, angreal, sa’angreal, and cuendillar are among the few of what I can remember that was forgotten. The only reason why the Forsakn seem to have the ability is that they remember how to do the weaves of AoL cause they are from that era.
Battle battle blah blah boring. (The book, not Sylas’s commentary). Battles are always boring to read, and confusingto follow. And these chapters are made irksomely extra-confusing by the way multiple characters are poppinf in and out to T’AR. Though they do have fun segments. I like the unexpected rooftop gathering, especially when Neuxue spends it yelling at Rand and Mat for climbing walls again. And the rescues by Mat and Perrin, with their respective miscommunication-humor and surreal magical imagery. And the lyrical language of Rand and Ishy’s bizarre showdown. And the repeating pattern of Forsaken being amused that Rand thinks Ishy is Shai’tan. And Rand being followed by “a cloud of Tairens,” among others.
TDR is far from my favorite WoT book. Not enough Shadowspawn. But at least it has some Shadowspawn, more than the five midseries books (LoC through CoT) that have almost none and are consequently boring. But we have two mire quite interesting books becore that, so…onward!
Be’lal must have had some elaborate plan for how he would kill Rand even though Rand with Callandor would be much stronger. The plan apparently involved some kind of trap with the girls for bait, but Moiraine’s balefire ruins the plan before we get to see much of it.
@57 Yes, what I was saying is that flying is a lost talent from the Age of Legends. I checked on the wot wiki, and it says it was BELIEVED to be a lost talent from the AoL, so after all it’s up to interpretation whether it was really so or if it never really existed; but if it did in fact exist, all of Ishamael crazy flying appearances would not be due to mere illusions/True Power (though we know he only uses TP and not the OP) /first books weirdness.
By the way, now that I think of it, how was Rand able to copy Ishamael’s weave to create a gateway to Tel’Aran’Rhiod? He couldn’t see the weaves of the True Power, so the only thing I can think of is that he understood on an intuitive level what that weave did (instead of just copying it without understanding what it was) and then somehow managed to make the equivalent saidin weave.
Re Flying, So I can’t create a wing out of air, (maybe some earth mixed in to solidify it), and then loop another flow of air over the wings to create lift & thus fly? My headcanon was that the current Aes Sedai don’t learn the science behind the weaves and that is why they can’t replicate the AoL effects.
@60, 62:
RJ settled this a long time ago:
https://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=242
Its Question #10 in that signing report.
@61:
Is there reason to believe that Ishamael used the TP to create the Gateway? The narrative specifically says that Rand thought he could see what Ishamael did. But he doesn’t have words to express it in, yet, until after the bleedthrough starts happening, and then later Asmodean’s teaching. Ishamael may also be inverting the weaves as he channels, but that wouldn’t stop Rand from seeing the residue of the Gateway afterwards.
Is this the right time to repost the Berelain Limericks from the original re-read? ;)
@anthony Pero: thanks for the link! Wow, I think at the time of that signing I was reading for the first time TDR or TSR.
As for Ishamael, I may be wrong, but I remember implied/I read somewhere that Ishamael is on par with Rand in the amount of saidin he can draw and so he’s the most powerful of the Forsaken in the One Power, but that’s ironic because he’s been using only the True Power since the Age of Legends. Am I completely imagining things in my head?
@67 – And someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think Ishamael is ever shown to be using saidin explicitly. In fact, in the very first prologue of the series, Ishamael uses the True Power to heal Lews Therin of his madness. That, plus the fact that his eyes and mouth turn into caverns of flame, imply that he uses the TP exclusively.
@68
As I recall, you are correct, which suggests that he is using the True Power exclusively. I also like this theory a lot, but there is one strong piece of counter-evidence: in one of his POVs, he is pleased at finding angreal in the cache at Ebou Dar, but displeased at their weakness. If he was only using the True Power, why would he care much about One Power angreal?
@69 And we know most angreal are One Power only because Callandor’s ability to use the True Power is unique, right?
PaulTaylors @67: From The Wheel of Time Companion:
So, yes, Ishamael/Moridin was on par with Rand.
noblehunter @70: From AMoL, Ch. 47:
That seems to imply that Moridin had never even heard of a TP sa’angreal, and therefore likely of a TP angreal, either.
JonathanLevy @69:
That is weird; one possible explanation that comes to mind is that he was planning to give them to his minions for their use.
There are several points in this series that I am really looking forward to Sylas covering. The Ancestetron 5000 ™ is at the top of this list.
@68 – It was speculated on by other Forsaken that even after his rebirth Ishy\Morindin used the True Power pretty much exclusively. There are several cases in the early books where you can tell things were not full planned out or defined with how the power worked.
There are some examples later on after Rand is granted some access to the TP where he does things instinctively so I guess that could explain some of it. Maybe a left over residue on his soul or something allowing him to see the TP or ‘feel’ what is happening then using Saidin to do the same thing. There were some examples of things you could only do with the TP but a lot of them were just different ways to accomplish the same thing.
@@@@@70. noblehunter
Yup.
71. bad_platypus
Yeah, but if he was planning that he’d probably be thinking “Just enough power to make those fools more effective, but not enough to let them kill each other by mistake. Or awaken ambitions he would have to crush; he had no more patience for making examples“.
I like to think the possibility that Moridin only channeled the TP was a tertiary character trait, and as such, it failed to register when Jordan wrote a throwaway line whose main purpose was to tell the reader that Moridin got his hands on the Angreal cache.
No takers for the Limericks? I might have a copy… here… somewhere… :) :)
Maybe nobody remembers them :(
@73 I could be wrong, but I get the sense that the True Power was one thing that was always intended to exist from the beginning. In inventing the backstory that something went wrong when they tried to close the Bore the first time you kind of have to decide why it went wrong and how to do it properly the next time or you are writing yourself into a corner very quickly.
Apologies if someone brought this up already, but if Ishamael is using the True Power, how does Rand see what he did to copy his Gateway? I suspect a gaff from RJ not having all his world building set yet. But I suppose it can be rationalized that since Callendor works for the TP as well as the OP, Rand was somehow able to see the TP?! Maybe?
@76 I asked the same question a few posts above (@67) but I didn’t think of this possibility. This could be an alternative explanation to the one I posited (though I am not much convinced of either).
JL – I remember them!!! Oh those were fun times…=D
@20 during one of the first age flashbacks (Rand in the Rhuidean ter’angreal?) they mention cars and planes. This is probably how they “flew” in the first age. Same way we do now.
Even if Rand can sense the TP, the description is of the way men Travel with saidin. Saidar and the TP do it differently.
Hey, moderators! Is there any way to send Sylas an email or just to pass on a question for him? I may be the only person reading this series for the first time (in real time with the blog posts) but there’s something that’s driving me absolutely crazy:
Where are the priests?
Everyone knows that the Creator bound the Dark One in blah blah blah.
How?
Where is the ‘Bible’?
We’ve met a pretty good cross-section of the people who inhabit this land (well, a solid 70% of them seem to be innkeepers, but I think you know what I mean), but not a one of them claims to be telling the ‘most important story ever to be told’. It’s weird.
There also doesn’t even seem to be a holy book — sure there are the prophecies, but they’re obscure and only for nerds, apparently. We do hear a lot about books in general — but it’s not like Jain Farstrider is supposed to be Jesus, right?
At this point, I really don’t know if this is a failure of world building or a setup for a monumental reveal, but again, it’s driving me crazy. I’d love to see Sylas address it.
I know he’s not reading comments anymore (shame on you spoiler people!), so if you could pass this comment on to him (or let me know how to get in touch), I’d appreciate it.
76. torgo02
The suggestion is that he starts using the TP exclusively after he comes back as Moridin.
@14 on Rand being Kinslayer, well, his coming certainly did cause his mother’s death, his father’s death by his uncle turning to the shadow, a war and all. Yes I know, very indirectly, still, it’s an interesting thought.
Have to agree with @51 on chapter 29 of TSR. Every time I re-read the book it breaks me up, including a painful lump in the throat – something about the way Jordan wrote Perrin’s reactions to the news of his entire family’s fate just gets to me.
@81 – Robert Jordan has answered that question himself:
Austiin @85,
Thank you so much for that response — I’m happy to know that Jordan thought about this issue.
I…still have questions. I understand what he’s going for — a universally held belief in a Creator…but wait, there’s the One Power, how does that imply a Creator? We all believe in electricity, right? That doesn’t mean Thor’s the God of Thunder, right?
My real question is not whether or not the tale of the Creator that we are told in the books is true or not (although, that is an excellent meta textual question), but rather how does everyone know this stuff? Who tells little baby childrens that the Creator is good and the Dark One is bad? Sure, their parents. But who told them? In the Two Rivers, they’ve forgotten what country they’re a part of, for the Creator’s sake.
Somehow, there is a pervasive creation myth that the entire world accepts, but nobody’s spreading the good word. I just don’t get it. Without somebody spreading the word, who knows what ideas people might come up with? Why do they believe in “the” Creator?
286 There are people spreading the good word. The Children of Light.
@86 – Don’t forget that in the Age of Legends (the previous age), Aes Sedai literally drilled a hole into the prison of the Dark One. He tainted the male half of the One Power when they sealed it back up. That caused the Breaking of the World. All of this is known and passed down over the years. People clearly see that men born with the One Power go mad, confirming what happened with the Dark One. People clearly see the One Power wielded by Aes Sedai. There’s the Blight and the Shadowspawn. I can see how it’s universally accepted that the Creator and the Dark One are real.
@@@@@87 John: There are people spreading the good word. The Children of Light.
Well, sure. But they’re spreading their own interpretation of what everyone already believes. I’m really not trying to be the guy who worries about how a feudal agrarian society can support massive cities here. I’m just asking who told everybody the basic tenets of the faith they all share?
How do you know there was one (1) Creator?
How do you know the Creator bound the Dark One?
What is the Dark One, anyway?
Again, the people of the Two Rivers forgot in, I’m gonna guess, a couple of centuries (whatever, don’t @@@@@ me, bro) that they were a part of Andor. Let that sink in. Not “memories of a storied past” — just plain forgot.
How is it that the story of the Creator (and the Dark One) is universally known and accepted?
If everyone believes this story, where are the storytellers?
Oh, and I didn’t make this explicit in my first post, but I really don’t want spoilers — I’m enjoying the hell out of these books :). I understand I’m navigating spoiler space in the comments, but I’ll just have to do my best….
@89, keep in mind that this is, at least in part, a post-apocalyptic society. The Aes Sedai were much more powerful at one point, and brought their One Power-fueled wonders across the entire continent. Going into more details about that is definitely spoiler territory, but they were at a higher technological height than we currently are. It’s easy to assume that the Creator story was common knowledge at that point.
Drilling the Bore, and the fight to reseal it, created an apocalypse that they are still recovering from. Yes, some knowledge does get lost or distorted (as you will find out at Rhuidean). But this is not just a religious foundation, it’s also a way to warn about the danger posed by male channelers. Something like this will get passed down from generation to generation, as a warning if nothing else.
Man, Austin, first, can I say how awesome it is to be geeking out over this book published almost 30 years ago?
Okay, thanks.
So, I agree with you that there are massive world-changing events that took place in the past that everyone should remember. But people don’t just remember things from before they were born. You need someone to pass on that remembrance.
Sure, maybe everyone understood at the time of the Breaking what was going on (which, honestly feels like a stretch, but I’ll go with it). But over time, wouldn’t you think that the people of Tear, or the people of Sheinar might have some fundamental differences in doctrine? Look at the Protestant Reformation — and they had priests! On both sides!
That’s my real question here — where are the priests? Professionals who pass down the received wisdom.
Or at the very least, a freakin’ book!
@86 Gregor Mendel
I agree with you. I remember when I first read that Robert Jordan answer I thought “this guy has a different perspective on what makes a religion than I do”. To me, everyone would agree on something only if it was very clear that it was so. So everyone would believe in a Creator only if that Creator actually, you know, was apparent to everyone and talked to everyone and so. Otherwise some people would be skeptic.
And it’s weird, because Jordan does put people with different theological views and beliefs in his works, and still doesn’t consider it a religion.
Since you’re a first time reader I can only quote one example: the Children of the Light. Here you have people who have completely different beliefs than other in the series. They believe the One Power exists, OK, but that for humans to use it is evil, because it resulted in the Breaking, and any human who does that should be killed. So it’s a sin to use it. Compare that to any other society shown in the series, and even the Seanchan don’t share those beliefs. That’s religion for you, but for Jordan it’s not.
Also take into consideration Pedron Niall or the people of Illian. Pedron Niall believes in part of the prophecies. He chose to believe that the Last Battle is coming, but that it wouldn’t involve the Dragon or sealing off the Dark One. He considers those stuff to be impossible. To him the Last Battle is another, bigger Trolloc War. He considers Darkspawn as real, Darkfriends as real, but things like the Forsaken or the Dark One breaking free to be impossible. How can Niall question this and Jordan not consider it a religion? How can other people not be skeptic about the Creator and stuff? The Dark One is real, one only has to go to the Blight, to Shayol Ghul, to see him and the effect he has on the world. Or to name him. But the Creator? What proof is there that he exists? Except to Rand, for whom he appears speaking IN ALL CAPS, to others he’s never present.
The people of Illian believe in Aes Sedai, but one innkeeper Perrin meets in this book (The Dragon Reborn) doesn’t believe in trollocs, mydraal or in snow. She has never seen those things, so she doesn’t believe in them. The also Illianer Bayle Domon has seen those things, has gone to the Borderlands, has been in combat and persecuted by those things.
Jordan shows people being skeptic about stuff they’ve never seen (Illianers and trollocs, for example) but not about the Creator. And it irks me a lot, because, as I said, the Creator is never truly present in the series.
Another thing: in the Westlands (the place the books have taken place so far) there’s a catechism. It goes like this:
“The Dark One and all the Forsaken are bound in Shayol Ghul, bound by the Creator at the moment of Creation, bound until the end of time”
Nynaeve and others repeat this over the series. People are taught this, and believe in this. Probably their parents or the village as a whole teach this to children, so no priests.
But the catechism is wrong.
The Forsaken were not bound on Shayol Ghul by the Creator, Lews Therin did that. And he did a poor job of it. As seen in the prologue, Ishamael was not completely bound (he was taunting the mad Lews Therin). I’m not going to spoil more stuff for you (I’m going to do that in another post), but you can see that some beliefs people have are wrong. And you can see that some people don’t believe in stuff they can’t see. But somehow Jordan thought that everyone would still believe in a single Creator because people can use magic, and in reincarnation, and stuff.
Yeah, that thing irks me a lot. So I agree with you, how Jordan thought about religion and how certain aspects of religion could not exist in his world don’t seem to work with me.
They don’t really have any tenets, other than a creator and dark one exist.
Its what their parents believed and told them.
Who else would have done it?
It’s the Dark One duh. What else is there to say. Want proof of it’s existence say it’s name and bad stuff happens to you.
When you live in a village of about 100 people and your only contact is 1 dude who comes to trade, it’s pretty hard not to all believe the same thing.
Gleemen.
@91 – There are priests—they’re called gleemen! There is a strong oral history component to this world. Heck, you remember in the very beginning of the first book how all the villagers were geeking out over Thom visiting. That was their form of entertainment. I have no trouble with the idea that what happened at the Breaking was passed down from generation to generation, mostly as a warning. That’s why so many people hate and fear Aes Sedai. The knowledge of what happened during the Breaking, and who was responsible, is so well ingrained that it goes all the way to rural farmers who little contact with the outside world. Even the Prophecies of the Dragon are well known among rural folk. So there’s a very strong oral history component going on here.
I think I might just be going around in circles here, but I appreciate the engagement (and the avoidance of spoilers!), caddan.
I think I get it (I realize that because I’m just coming in that there are things I don’t yet get), that there are events (e.g. the Breaking of the World) and phenomena (e.g. men channeling) that are gonna leave a…psychic scar on the people of the world. They would obviously want to pass down their best understanding of said world to their children.
But…first of all, it’s just weird that everyone believes the same story! It’s been thousands of years since the Breaking, right? (Honestly, I’m not sure.) That’s a…long time. I hate to repeat myself, but the Two Rivers has forgotten it was part of Andora in living memory! (At least the Queen remembers Rand is her rightful subject.)
As for men channeling going bad, couldn’t you just say men channeling is bad? You don’t need the whole Dark One/Forsaken extra-badness to explain that the guy who’s probably going to set fire to your house is a bad dude.
caddan @90: Something like this will get passed down from generation to generation, as a warning if nothing else.
See, this I understand! What I find baffling is that everyone seems to have the same belief structure without (apparently) anyone doing the work to maintain that belief structure.
@re: religion
I agree with ryanamo@92. Jordan’s interpretation of how things would play out regarding religion strikes me as extremely unlikely. People are people, and therefore they would find things to disagree about, and having done so, they would try to convince other people that they were right, and then that group would try to codify their beliefs and come up with all sorts of reasons why they are right, and then they would meet about it to reinforce their beliefs in the face of those who don’t believe the same way and are incensed that these looneys don’t agree with them… and that’s religion. As soon as it gets to the meeting together stage to reinforce a belief system… that’s religion.
Now the spoiler post. So Gregor Mendel and other first time readers, don’t read this.
Spoiler tag
Some differences Jordan put in the cultures he created are, to me, religious differences and not actually just cultural differences.
Take Tuon and Mat.
Mat says he’s ta’veren. Tuon considers it preposterous. She doesn’t understand what “tied to the pattern” (the literal meaning of ta’veren) means, and thinks Mat is trying to fool her, or has some foolish belief.
Then Tuon, in the same chapter, starts looking for omens to see what she should do. This is something nobody in the Westlands (or the Aiel Waste) does. She sees some stuff, like birds taking flight, and considers that it’s a good omen and she should stay with Mat.
Since we’ve spent so much time with Westlanders, we’re bound to believe that what Mat believes is real (we’ve seen ta’veren and the effects it has on the world) and what Tuon believes to be fake stuff. Except, maybe, they’re both right. None of the omens actually made Tuon make a wrong decision, so the pattern maybe is speaking to her about what she should do.
How Jordan didn’t consider that stuff to be religious, I don’t know. Both these characters had to be taught about the stuff they’re talking about, how reality itself bends around one person or how reality itself talks to another by signs to show what she should do. It’s not apparent to either of them how that could be so, they had to be taught about it. Take this, and put the Creator instead of ta’veren, and you could have a different religion. How one doesn’t exist is something the author intended to do, but whose explanation doesn’t jive with me.
Also there’s the matter of reincarnation.
Everyone believes in reincarnation. It’s taken for granted. Except, have the characters ever seen someone reincarnated, outside Rand al’Thor and Lews Therin? No example is ever shown in the series of someone saying “that person is XXXX reincarnated”. In cultures that believe in reincarnation this stuff is said (I know it’s said in Chinese and Japanese cultures, at least). It’s weird to me how this is considered so important, but never actually, you know, forms part of the culture like it should, or is never questioned.
We know reincarnation happens. We’ve proof of the Dark One doing so with his favorite Forsaken. We also see Birgitte Silverbow and how she explains that between each life the heroes of the Horn hang out in Tel’aran’rhiod. So we see that Gaidal Cain disappears, and it means he was born. We also see Hopper die, go to the World of Dreams, and it’s implied he’s hanging around there, talking to Perrin, until he was supposed to be reincarnated in the future (snif, poor Hopper, the only true death in the series).
But most people in the series don’t have those experiences. Nobody ever questions reincarnation? What proof do they have that it exists? That people are “spun again in the pattern”? Nobody even thinks that maybe their life is the only they have?
It’s incredible, because people have beliefs that are wrong, are proven wrong later, and yet never question stuff like the Creator, reincarnation, the age lace, etc even though what they thought was also 100% truthful before was disproven. “No one can heal stilling”, “it’s impossible to block balefire”, “the forsaken are bound forever in Shayol Ghul”, “cuendillar can’t be broken”, “sul’dam aren’t channelers”, etc. We also know, by Jordan’s word, that the belief the characters have that balefire means the person isn’t going to be reincarnated again is wrong.
So people can be skeptic, people can be wrong, but somehow no one questions the Creator, reincarnation, the age lace, etc? Everyone in the world agrees with that? And just because some people have magical powers, that could, you know, come from a completely different source?
Wow, I did not anticipate this level of engagement on my silly post. It’s just something that bugged me!
But…kudos to you, my fellow nerds. This stuff is important, because, well, we’re really not even talking in metaphor here — we’re literally talking about the nature of belief and faith, reality and collective delusion. It’s actually a pretty forking important conversation.
So, Ryamono @@@@@ 92: I think we’re mostly in agreement here. My quibble would be with your repetition of the “catechism”:
“The Dark One and all the Forsaken are bound in Shayol Ghul, bound by the Creator at the moment of Creation, bound until the end of time”
Really, it’s been thousands of years and nobody’s following the shoe? Just the telephone version of this over a couple of millennia would be fun: “The Fark One and all the Burblaben are hounds in High Ol’ Gulch, created by the…Freator at the moment of, really, again, I don’t know, Kreation, until we all meet again, forever and ever, amen. Did I get it right? That was it, right? Was the ‘amen’ too much?” I hate to harp on this, but apparently, there ain’t no book!
Simpol @@@@@93:
Its what their parents believed and told them.
Who else would have done it?
That’s…that’s a pretty good question, there. Given that we are in this hypothetical positing a singular Creator, they would deffo be the one to do it. Point: Simpol!
(Me:) What is the Dark One, anyway?
It’s the Dark One duh. What else is there to say. Want proof of it’s existence say it’s name and bad stuff happens to you.
Hey, here’s a fun idea! Don’t name the Dark One and see if any bad stuff happens to you! Bad stuff happens to everybody! Yes, I get that our viewpoint characters (at least so far) accept this as a truism, but we have literally seen a couple of them name the Dark One and I’m pretty sure the bad stuff that happens was happening anyway.
(Me:) How is it that the story of the Creator (and the Dark One) is universally known and accepted?
When you live in a village of about 100 people and your only contact is 1 dude who comes to trade, it’s pretty hard not to all believe the same thing.
I totally agree! Where I start to get fuzzy is when everyone in multiple polities have the same beliefs…for centuries.
(Me:) If everyone believes this story, where are the storytellers?
Gleemen.
I’m not sure if you were responding to my actual thought or not, so I’ll be clearer (‘cuz I admit I was not that clear originally): Gleemen are obviously the storytellers of the realm, but they do not seem to tell religious stories, at least as a rule. They tell stories of derring do and romance, but not what one would really call a ‘proper’ story — ahem
AHEM
Sorry, just channeling (so to speak) Thom there.
With that, I bid you all a very fond farewell (sweeps off his ridiculous feathered hat)….
Re: Religion and proving the existence of the Creator / Dark One
The Dark One has interacted directly with individuals in the past and present, so there is irrefutable evidence that he exists. It seems like people are forgetting that Shayol Ghul is a physical place that you can actually go to and speak with the Dark One (assuming you make it there alive).
It’s true that beliefs about the Dark One, Shadowspawn, and the Forsaken can be inaccurate or misrepresented, however the very existence of them is very easily proven, and the effects of the Dark One’s existence (the war during the Age of Legends and the subsequent Breaking) are traumatic enough to be remembered for thousands of years. Not to mention that there were dedicated cultures that strove to remember the events of that time (for instance the Aiel and the White Tower).
Also keep in mind that once the Bore is sealed, people eventually forget the existence of the Dark One, and the Bore is at some point unsealed again. So while the current people of Randland AT THIS TIME have this belief, it is not necessarily something that will continue throughout every Age of the wheel.
Great posts, Ryamano, @92 and 97. I agree.
My suspicion (with zero evidence other than gut) is that RJ was anxious to avoid applying the loaded term “religion” to anything in his world, even while he is definitely describing cultural and regional differences in metaphysical belief. If that’s not religion, I don’t know what is.
So maybe he told himself that there was no religion so he wouldn’t be perceived as having his own soapbox on the issue (as he seemed a deeply religious man himself, as Protestant as Tolkien was Catholic), or maybe he was using Aes Sedai-speak to draw attention away from the issue. But when it came down to actually writing the story, he wrote realistically, with people having real disagreements on these things, and it didn’t quite live up to the “no religion” principle he espoused.
ETA: Hunny!
The only organized religion is the Whitecloaks, but that doesn’t mean that people don’t believe in anything. In Randland history includes fighting the Dark One, there is no separate religious and worldly story of what the world is like (the separation between science and theology is relatively recent in our world, too). The AS are the educated class in this world, and they have direct experience with magic and fighting evil creatures (and some have Talents like seeing ta’veren or Foretelling). The Ogier are the other group of scholars, and for them the Breaking wasn’t that long ago because they live longer. They live in stedding that evil creatures avoid and do have history books that include knowledge about topics like the Forsaken that might be religious texts in a world that makes a distinction. Randland simply doesn’t distinguish between scholars and priests or history books and religious texts. That there are no priests isn’t stranger than that there are no schools but most people seem to be literate.
@78. Sonofthunder
At last! One righteous man… :)
@@@@@ 100 fernandan and @@@@@ 98 gregor mendel
Regarding the world not having religion or priests
I might have appeared too critical of Jordan. In a way, he’s doing the same stuff as the other great master of fantasy: Tolkien. In Arda there’s a creator god, angels, etc, but it’s interesting that, in the most famous books (The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings) people never talk about that. Also, as far as I remember, no priests appeared in those works. The only afterlife that is discussed is what happens to elves (and others) that go west.
So, it’s not like Jordan pulls this kind of world out of nothing. Also, it’s not like every other fantasy follows Tolkien in the absence of priests. Howard’s Conan stories had priests, gods and demons galore, for example. It’s just a matter of choice, and style.
Jordan wrote that everyone would believe in the same thing because he thought it true. If people used magic in such a way, then it must be true that there is a Pattern, a Creator, an Age Lace, a Wheel, etc. Of course, how one goes from “I can see and control the forces that make up reality” to “There’s one Creator, a Wheel, 7 ages, time repeats itself, reincarnation, etc” is confusing.
Jordan was Epishcopalian, IIRC. That means Anglican church in America. He was also a Freemason, and I’m told there are lots of Freemason themes in the books. Since I’m not one, I can’t confirm that.
But the absence of priests makes sense once you accept his hypothesis that everyone believes in the Creator. Since there are no rituals involving the Creator, what needs to be taught to children regarding him (and the Dark One) is very simple and can be done (and is done) by the parents and the community as a whole. In that way, the “religion” of Randland, with its catechism and all, is similar to some Radical Protestant communities, in which there are no priests. Everyone in those communities reads the Bible and when something wrong is done they pray for God’s forgiveness, and that’s it. No need for confessions or attending Church on sunday. Since Randland’s religion is very simple (the Creator created the world, reincarnation, don’t follow or name the Dark One), there’s no need for specialization. You don’t need someone to dedicate his or her life to teach that, the parents and the community themselves can do that.
Notice that the other big “religion” in Randland differs in that: the Darkfriends. They mostly look like a secret society of evil people (which they are), but the way they speak does sound more religious than others. The Dark One will give life eternal to its most loyal followers. There’s going to be a Last Battle, and that promise will only be true if you help the Dark One in it. The ones that follow the Dark One will rule the world after he has won the Last Battle. That’s very milleniarist, apocalyptic language. There’s also apocalyptic language in the Prophecies of the Dragon, but all the Dragon achieves is the maintenance of status quo.
Spoilers
Except for Masema, the Prophet of the Dragon. In that case, doesn’t he and his followers count as a religion? Promises of better life if you followed “The Lord Dragon and his Prophet, Masema”, and so on.
Also, in spoiler parts, the Darkfriends have some religious hierarchy, that is mixed with their hierarchy as a society. The Dark One has a few Chosen Ones (the Forsaken), and one of them can be chosen above the others (Nae’blis), and also there’s an official Dark One avatar (Shaidar Haran). Since the Dark One is chaotic evil that hierarchy is very troublesome, with lots of infighting, and something like Forsaken killing Forsaken or foiling another Forsaken’s plan is punished rarely. And it’s up for the Forsaken him or herself to punish one that doesn’t obey him or her, like Moghedien and Liandrin. If Liandrin had killed Moghedien, it’s possible she’d be elevated in the ranks, like Taim, instead of being punished by Moghedien.
Okay, I’m not entirely sure that anyone other than Ryamono really gets what I’m getting at here. I assume this is a failing of my expository powers, and further assume that any fantasy author you care to name would kick my ass in world building.
Still. Although I understand and even could kinda see how they’d work…I don’t think Ryamono is right here (again, as I am a naif treading in spoiler woods, please no spoilers if you care to respond). BUT! Let’s deal with everyone else first!
@99 givemeraptors Re: Religion and proving the existence of the Creator / Dark One
The Dark One has interacted directly with individuals in the past and present, so there is irrefutable evidence that he exists. It seems like people are forgetting that Shayol Ghul is a physical place that you can actually go to and speak with the Dark One (assuming you make it there alive).
Well, sure, I guess. When you live in the Two Rivers and think that Taren Ferry is the farthest thing ever, I’m not sure if I would agree with the statement “you can actually go to [Shayol Ghul] and speak with the Dark One.” The level of provincialism in the three boys from the Two Rivers would really be comical except I understand why Jordan’s giving it to them. I’m also not sure if this is a spoiler — I don’t think it’s been established that any rando can just rock up to the ol’ Ghul and say “What’s the haps?” Even if they could, would anyone but someone who already believed in the Dark One want to make that journey?
The last time we have any indication that the Dark One “interacted directly” with anyone was thousands of years ago. Thousands. That’s a long freakin’ time. You’re telling me nobody decided, in all that time, that maybe they could use this belief structure to bolster their own power? And that would of course necessitate changing some of those beliefs over time…. ‘Cuz little Autocrat Jr ain’t gonna crown himself (oh, wait, I guess he would).
It’s true that beliefs about the Dark One, Shadowspawn, and the Forsaken can be inaccurate or misrepresented, however the very existence of them is very easily proven…
Umm, how? I’m really not being snarky here, I just don’t know how we know that’s true. Sure, the Sheinarans know the (brutal) truth of Shadowspawn, but they’ve done such a good job of it that most of the world (well, the world we’ve seen, at least) doesn’t believe they exist! As for the Dark One and the Forsaken, they’re just stories, right? (Again, spoiler-phobic, but if I’ve missed something in the text of the first three books, I’d love to be proven wrong!)
…and the effects of the Dark One’s existence (the war during the Age of Legends and the subsequent Breaking) are traumatic enough to be remembered for thousands of years.
Perfectly? For thousands of years? Without any class of regular folks dedicated to maintaining this knowledge? Color me…skeptical.
Not to mention that there were dedicated cultures that strove to remember the events of that time (for instance the Aiel and the White Tower).
Yeah, I get that (and I suspect that the Aiel and the Aes Sedai have more in common than they realize), but seriously — look how much knowledge the Tower has lost! Why is this Creator/Dark One story completely immune to change (without even a church to evangelize it?)
@100 fernandan: My suspicion (with zero evidence other than gut) is that RJ was anxious to avoid applying the loaded term “religion” to anything in his world, even while he is definitely describing cultural and regional differences in metaphysical belief. If that’s not religion, I don’t know what is.
I am interested and would like to subscribe to you newsletter. I think one of the problems here is that I’m not trying to ‘trap’ Jordan here — I’m genuinely confused and interested in why he chose to have this foundational mythos just sort of…assumed. He wouldn’t need to call it a religion, after all. If the Wise Women/Mayors (or locally appropriate names) were tasked with teaching the children these truths (and we were shown it), I’d be fine with it. It’s just weird that there’s not anyone whose job it is to make sure everyone believes it. Which makes it doubly weird that everyone does believe it.
@101 birgit That there are no priests isn’t stranger than that there are no schools but most people seem to be literate.
That’s…that’s pretty brilliant. I’m just going to let it sit there and admire it for a while. I never questioned why we see no teachers in the books, but perhaps that’s because I take an education as a fundamental right of humanity, while on the subject of religion, I’m “Ehh”.
103 @Ryamano I might have appeared too critical of Jordan.
You too? I want to clarify for the record, I’m not criticizing Jordan in the pejorative sense, but rather engaging in a bit of amateur literary criticism — I see this weird hole in the story and I’m wondering if it’s there for a reason, or am I just a moron?
In a way, he’s doing the same stuff as the other great master of fantasy: Tolkien. In Arda there’s a creator god, angels, etc, but it’s interesting that, in the most famous books (The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings) people never talk about that. Also, as far as I remember, no priests appeared in those works. The only afterlife that is discussed is what happens to elves (and others) that go west.
Now this is a great point — I think the difference (for me at least) is that nobody in The Hobbit or The Lord of the Rings ever mentions Eru Ilúvatar, but peeps in the Wheel of Time keep on going on about the Creator. There’s a sense in the Middle Earth stories that all of this is just background (despite the fact that one of the main characters is an actual angel). I think what I find problematic with the Wheel of Time is that it both embraces the spiritual dimension and simultaneously doesn’t give me any reason to believe that people believe in it.
Pfft… The only religion in Randland is spanking!!
Ok, I’ll show myself out. :-P
@99 and @104
First, LOL. Second, RAFO. You don’t know enough at this point of the story to know whether that’s possible or not. Even if you could survive the trip, which few would want to attempt, as you point out. Which is why I don’t think this can be used to support @99’s arguments, because nobody goes to Shayol Ghul (and admits it). Not nobody, not nohow.
But along those same questioning lines, it occurs to me that Darkfriends, who have the closest thing to a real religion with a hierarchy, distributed organizations, and belief structures, would have the greatest incentive to proselytize and keep the faith in the Creator vs. Dark One dichotomy. Perversely, Darkfriends could be working behind the scenes in their local circles of power to advance the tenets of the “faith.” To make sure most importantly that people are taught that the Dark One is real and is imprisoned, and that any apostates or heretics are met with derision, if not other social consequences. I don’t think this can be a full explanation, just a possible contributing factor.
To answer an earlier question, yes, it has been thousands of years. Somewhere close to 3,500 years since the War of Power, give or take a couple centuries, because no one knows for sure. Yes, the Breaking was that bad.
This is my first post and chapter read since finishing AMOL a few days ago! I just wanted to say thanks to Sylas and all the commenters on here, y’all kept me engaged through the rough patches and excited during the cool parts. I’m looking forward to getting a real chance to engage with you all now that I know the full story.
Let’s not forget that this is also our first time seeing the “Callandor Crazies.”
@81 Gregor,
There are several organisations that maintain the belief structure of the population of Randland, firstly the Aes Sedai have many of the functions of an organised religion, think about the role of monks in the period between the fall of Rome and the end of the Dark ages. They are the holders and interpreters of knowledge, they are advisors to Royalty, arbiters of law and seers. They are wielders of functional magic and so fulfill the role of Priestesses amongst other things.
At the general population level the bards and gleemen fulfill a Druidic tradition. The C of L have a role in interpreting perceived wisdom although through a miltaristic sort of protestant view.
Also False Dragons arise once a generation or similar to reinforce the current narritive. and within recorded history the kingdoms have fought wars against Trolloc armies.
@104, @106
I think you’re both missing my point about Shayol Ghul being a physical place. People KNOW it exists in the same way that people in our current time who live in say, Iceland, know that Japan exists. What does it matter if that person who lives in Iceland has never been there themselves, or never intends to go there? There are plenty of stories and proof of people who have been. And while the nature of hearing such secondhand or thirdhand or even further removed information is that the exact nature of the place can be obscured and misinterpreted, it never changes the basic fact that such a place exists and people have been there.
So just like the people of Randland, I can come up with all types of stories about Japan or Iceland or any other country I’ve never been to.* That does not make my belief in those places a religion.
Another example, I believe Donald Trump is the current president of the United States without ever having seen him in person. Me going to a friend and saying, “Hey, I heard the American president is allergic to cats” does not turn that belief into a religion.
One of the major themes in the Wheel of Time is how stories and information change and get lost over time. But I think it’s a big leap to say that the spreading of misinformation, or a misunderstanding between several people, makes what they are saying and doing religious beliefs and religious practice.
*I have actually been to Japan, great place, but my point is unchanged.
Regarding Ishamael and the TP and the Gateway, didn’t he make the Gateway after Rand severed him from his connection to the DO? This would mean he’s be forced to use the OP instead of the TP for the duration of the fight (presumably until he returned to Shayol Ghul and the DO reconnected him to the TP network), which might actually inform his decision to flee into TAR to try to level the playing field since Rand had Callandor.
Regarding the Randland Catechism, how many super important sayings are passed down accurately for hundreds or thousands of years in our own world? Dozens? Hundreds? I’d suggest that the telephone effect is often applied incorrectly to situations where there are enough checks and balances on erroneous repetitions that drift would be markedly slower to the point of nonexistent.
@111 – Nope. That came at the end, when Rand finally killed him.
@74
Yes to limericks, please!
@Religion
It might be fair to say that by RJ’s definition of religion (not that I know what that is), the Westlands didn’t have one. Or a need for one. There is one aspect of most religions (certainly the ones RJ interacted with) that is most definitely not present in Randland: the organized gathering for Worship.
Maybe that’s what he means by religion.
If so, the Whitecloaks wouldn’t qualify. They are more like a militarized version of Masonry. They have tenants, they have strictures and beliefs, they have a manifesto and teach out of it, they have ceremonies… but they don’t have worship.
The black ropes are the protection against the Taint. Cutting them would make it more likely that Ishy uses the TP.
I cannot believe I never caught the Sword in the Stone meme. Sylas is so much quicker than I am.
@116/all Has Sylas picked up on the fact that this world IS our past (and future)? I don’t recall him making any comments about it. I want to hear his analysis of the stories and objects when he discovers this. Elsbet the consulor. Lenn and his eagle fly to the moon, Mosk and Merc, the Mercedes Benz emblem, etc. Many of our legends, but especially the stories of King Arthur and Norse mythology.
Finally caught up with the read, and just in time for a new book!
I’ve decided to actually read along with this blog, and it’s the first time I’m re-reading these books in over 20 years (I didn’t re-read them when I followed Leigh’s re-read). Great writing by Sylas! Definitely got me engaged again with the source material. Really looking forward to The Shadow Rising.
JonathanLevy @69:
Why wouldn’t he be pleased about a tool he can use if he so chooses, even if he usually uses other tools? He might prefer to play the XBox, but that’s no reason to throw away a good memory expansion for his Playstation, does it? (or some other made-up analogy…)
118. Amir
If all you’ve got is an XBox, and you find an 8GB memory expansion for the Playstation, your first thought is usually “Too bad it’s not for the XBox”, or “I wish they had this sort of thing for the XBox”, not “Damn, wish it was the 16GB instead of the 8GB”.
… and, it’s off to the next post :)
@117
Not yet. I think the “First Age” stories Thom referenced in TEOTW are not as obvious a hint. The Mercedes-Benz hood ornament and the giraffe skeletons are in the next book. Sylas has definitely picked up on the Arthurian and Norse parallels, but I don’t think he’s twigged to the fact that our world and this one are one and the same.
Rand does not need to “see” the weaves of TP to copy the effects. In these early books, when Rand is channeling the One Power–particularly large amounts of it–he seems to be operating on a purely instinctive level, almost letting his subconscious take over. He merely has to see the effects that are wrought by Ishy and his LTT enhanced subconsciousness duplicates the feat.
I realize I’m pretty late to the discussion (I just found Sylas’s read a couple weeks ago but I’ve been a WoT fan for years) but I felt like throwing in my thoughts regarding religion/lack thereof in Randland. I’ll do my best to avoid spoilers but if I slip please let me know so I can edit.
I think one very important thing that was missed in the previous discussion on this issue is the concept of duality in Randland. We’re talking about an entire world in which it’s essentially taken for granted that things exist in pairs, and almost always in pairs that work in opposition to one another. From the very beginning we’ve been given examples of Village Councils/Women’s Circles, Mayors/Wisdoms, all the way to saidar and saidin. The “One” Power itself is in actuality two powers, which Moiraine taught Egwene worked alongside but also in opposition to each other to drive the Wheel of Time.
The concepts of duality and opposition appear to be something the people of Randland understand on an subconscious instinctual level, much the same way we understand “Light=Good/Dark=Evil” in our culture. (This is why Jordan didn’t have to give us any kind of context or in-world cosmology and yet we all knew from the first time it was mentioned that the “Dark One” would probably not be the protagonist in this series.) There’s also enough evidence within the books to make a logical assumption that duality isn’t a new idea; take a look at the ancient symbol of the Aes Sedai in the Age of Legends that’s printed on the map at the beginning of each book and, according to prophecy, under which Rand will conquer.
I bring this up because think it is critical to understanding why there’s no organized religion or religious manuals in Randland. The people live in a world in which concepts like duality and opposition are part of the cultural zeitgeist (I think that’s the correct word, feel free to correct me if not). They also live in a world where they have no need for any religious teachings or beliefs about Darkness; Darkness has a very real and physical presence. Shayol Ghul is a physical place, as is the Blight. Trollocs/Myrdraal have been and continue to be very real threats, just ask any Borderlander – especially a Malkieri. Darkfriends are found in every major population center, and probably most of the minor ones as well. All of these are matters of history, not faith, for the people of Randland. Even the existence of the Dark One is a recorded fact. Granted, not many records survived the Breaking, but enough did that even your average villager knows how the ancient Aes Sedai drilled into the DO’s prison and men tried to seal the Bore…yadda yadda yadda. The details may have gotten a little smudged over time, but the core is there.
So take a world in which chaos and evil, and the epitome of chaos and evil (the DO), are a demonstrable reality and combine it with people who have an instinctive understanding of duality and it’s clearer why they would also accept the reality of the Light and its epitome in the Creator. It would be anathema to their understanding of the universe to have darkness without it’s opposite – even if that opposite isn’t as readily manifest. Dark cannot exist without the Light, the Dark One would not exist without the Creator.
Random sidenote: The end of the Age of Legends/The Breaking is generally accepted as being about 3500 years ago. Does it ever blow anyone else’s mind that there a relative ton of artifacts from the time of the Breaking, and some from before, that are still in regular use? And also a fairly large number of books and documents from that time period that not only have survived – holy durable paper, Batman! – but are still studied and taken as historical fact, without question? Like many items from 1500 BC do we still use today? And the closest documentation from roughly then that I can think of that a large section of the population still accepts as a valid historical record today would be the Old Testament or the Torah, and even among believers there are few who would accept their description of the events from, say, the time of King David to the present as literal.